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	<description>What would an Economist recommend for Trenton?</description>
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		<title>By: guido cesaretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>guido cesaretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>march madness, a very appropriate definition for the entitlement bill that just passed. have you asked, where are they going to find all of the money to support this ?? or are you more interested in the phillies and the world series ?? 
a hint... all of the gold eggs are gone, and the politicians are looking for the goose......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>march madness, a very appropriate definition for the entitlement bill that just passed. have you asked, where are they going to find all of the money to support this ?? or are you more interested in the phillies and the world series ??<br />
a hint&#8230; all of the gold eggs are gone, and the politicians are looking for the goose&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: guido cesaretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>guido cesaretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>money, money, money !! there are some who steal it and there are some who give it away ! they steal the money from the taxpayers and then give it to family and friends. in America the only thing changing is the date... 

history, social security.... 
medicare, ........

billions of dollars, the old entitlement shell game !!!

the hard working taxpayer is given the shaft.
the taxpayers pay for just about everything.... 
we buy the tickets and settle for being red caps !!!!  amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>money, money, money !! there are some who steal it and there are some who give it away ! they steal the money from the taxpayers and then give it to family and friends. in America the only thing changing is the date&#8230; </p>
<p>history, social security&#8230;.<br />
medicare, &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>billions of dollars, the old entitlement shell game !!!</p>
<p>the hard working taxpayer is given the shaft.<br />
the taxpayers pay for just about everything&#8230;.<br />
we buy the tickets and settle for being red caps !!!!  amen.</p>
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		<title>By: guido cesaretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>guido cesaretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take a long look at Houston, Texas. they had crime and poverty. they did something about it. 
2.1 billion dollars to Haiti, nothing changed but the date!
if you fertilize and water weeds, you will continue to have weeds.

it takes more than money. &quot;money is the root of all evil!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take a long look at Houston, Texas. they had crime and poverty. they did something about it.<br />
2.1 billion dollars to Haiti, nothing changed but the date!<br />
if you fertilize and water weeds, you will continue to have weeds.</p>
<p>it takes more than money. &#8220;money is the root of all evil!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: patricia stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Dan:  Great piece.  Who is on your committee?  I suspect Michael McGrath is not a member.  Regards, PHS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Dan:  Great piece.  Who is on your committee?  I suspect Michael McGrath is not a member.  Regards, PHS</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is $16 million ($54 million last year vs. $70 million this year). The $8 million in the above equation is part of this number. Also in that number is the $3.5  million in Police OT. That leaves about $4 million that is unknown, but partially made up of the makeup money for the 16.5 million we took several years ago and some extra payments for debt that I am not positive on. Taking the highest number, the gap would be $17M in state aid + $16 million for about a &lt;b&gt;$33 million structural gap&lt;/b&gt;, but I would believe that part of the latest tax increase (the missing $4 million) isn&#039;t really part of our structural debt either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is $16 million ($54 million last year vs. $70 million this year). The $8 million in the above equation is part of this number. Also in that number is the $3.5  million in Police OT. That leaves about $4 million that is unknown, but partially made up of the makeup money for the 16.5 million we took several years ago and some extra payments for debt that I am not positive on. Taking the highest number, the gap would be $17M in state aid + $16 million for about a <b>$33 million structural gap</b>, but I would believe that part of the latest tax increase (the missing $4 million) isn&#8217;t really part of our structural debt either.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax revenue in the 2010 budget is $70M. It was closer to $50M last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax revenue in the 2010 budget is $70M. It was closer to $50M last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;$8M + $17M in state aid + $20M tax increase&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;b&gt;What $20 million tax increase?&lt;/b&gt; Taxes didn&#039;t go up $20 million last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: <i>&#8220;$8M + $17M in state aid + $20M tax increase&#8221;</i>. <b>What $20 million tax increase?</b> Taxes didn&#8217;t go up $20 million last year.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing ...

It doesn&#039;t make sense to me that we could have only an $8M structural deficit.  That would be around 4% of the total and percentage wise small.  This doesn&#039;t feel right given that our CPI is less than half the NJ average.

Of course we&#039;re also not counting schools where are deficit is $125M given Missy Balimer&#039;s assertion that the budget will be $290M, we&#039;re paying only $20M and the NJ average is that towns pay half their school budget.  We should be paying $145M but are only paying $20M.

A reasonable person might wonder whether a school + municipal budget of $500M ($212M + $290M) makes sense for a town of 80,000.  That&#039;s $6250 for every man, woman and child or roughly $15,000 per household.

The budget brigade&#039;s crack analysis team is busy comparing this to other towns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing &#8230;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me that we could have only an $8M structural deficit.  That would be around 4% of the total and percentage wise small.  This doesn&#8217;t feel right given that our CPI is less than half the NJ average.</p>
<p>Of course we&#8217;re also not counting schools where are deficit is $125M given Missy Balimer&#8217;s assertion that the budget will be $290M, we&#8217;re paying only $20M and the NJ average is that towns pay half their school budget.  We should be paying $145M but are only paying $20M.</p>
<p>A reasonable person might wonder whether a school + municipal budget of $500M ($212M + $290M) makes sense for a town of 80,000.  That&#8217;s $6250 for every man, woman and child or roughly $15,000 per household.</p>
<p>The budget brigade&#8217;s crack analysis team is busy comparing this to other towns.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Mike. 

Your analysis is exactly what we need to as part of our effort to sort out the State&#039;s PILOT money.

Cynthia is leading that but we all need to be clear about what&#039;s what in the budget.

My suggestion is to leave out cost savings for the moment and just worry about the gap between proposed spending and state aid (not PILOT) + the tax increase (i.e. assume we&#039;re still spending $50M / year).

Fair enough?  

Perhaps its the $8M + $17M in state aid + $20M tax increase (the tax increase isn&#039;t sustainable) = $45M.  I leave out the police OT and put that in a bucket called potential savings along with all other wasted, unneeded programs etc.   

I was looking at the Municipal Property Tax relief ($41M)+ $9M in increase in misc. aid + $20M tax increase = $70M.  

If I&#039;m wrong then that proves why we need to real thoughtful view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Mike. </p>
<p>Your analysis is exactly what we need to as part of our effort to sort out the State&#8217;s PILOT money.</p>
<p>Cynthia is leading that but we all need to be clear about what&#8217;s what in the budget.</p>
<p>My suggestion is to leave out cost savings for the moment and just worry about the gap between proposed spending and state aid (not PILOT) + the tax increase (i.e. assume we&#8217;re still spending $50M / year).</p>
<p>Fair enough?  </p>
<p>Perhaps its the $8M + $17M in state aid + $20M tax increase (the tax increase isn&#8217;t sustainable) = $45M.  I leave out the police OT and put that in a bucket called potential savings along with all other wasted, unneeded programs etc.   </p>
<p>I was looking at the Municipal Property Tax relief ($41M)+ $9M in increase in misc. aid + $20M tax increase = $70M.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong then that proves why we need to real thoughtful view.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McGrath</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view the &quot;structural&quot; deficit as being the difference between expected revenues and what is being spent on the essential services. Currently Trenton receives about $42 million from CMPTRA and another $10 million from an Energy Reciepts Tax. CMPTRA is essentially the replacement for taxes on the government buildings and should be expected to stay in place in one form or another. Our administration claims that it is underfunded, but the amount of that is debated. For some unknow reason, CMPTRA, instead of being flat this year, actually decreased 3.5 million. 

Now here&#039;s the fun part: 

In 2009 we received about $14.8 million last year from a Municipal Revitalization and Economic Recovery Act. Most of the justified costs for this funding is project based, so I don&#039;t believe that this effects our structural costs or is considered a structural revenue. As I understand it, this money isn&#039;t used to pay police, fire dept, muni workers, fill potholes, etc. 

Also last year we received $17.2 million in &quot;Special Municipal Aid&quot;. This is really part of the makeup between money we raise and what we spend.

In this years budget, both of the last two items are lumped together in one amount labeled &quot;Capital Cities Aid&quot;. The total amount actually went up about $2.85 million, but which part went up, its anybody&#039;s guess. Why they do nonsense like this is beyond me. 

In any case, the structural deficit is currently the $8 million this year minus the $3.5 million in police OT. In general we should consider that amount (~$7 million) plus the $17 million in the municipal aid as our overall structural deficit. True, the energy tax could end and the state could totally not pay us any relief for municipal services, but at that point I would bulldoze down the capitol and sell off the property. 

I would add that our structural deficit could be lower as I am sure we could find some other fairly easy places to cut once the books and all of the budget maneuvering is laid out in full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view the &#8220;structural&#8221; deficit as being the difference between expected revenues and what is being spent on the essential services. Currently Trenton receives about $42 million from CMPTRA and another $10 million from an Energy Reciepts Tax. CMPTRA is essentially the replacement for taxes on the government buildings and should be expected to stay in place in one form or another. Our administration claims that it is underfunded, but the amount of that is debated. For some unknow reason, CMPTRA, instead of being flat this year, actually decreased 3.5 million. </p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s the fun part: </p>
<p>In 2009 we received about $14.8 million last year from a Municipal Revitalization and Economic Recovery Act. Most of the justified costs for this funding is project based, so I don&#8217;t believe that this effects our structural costs or is considered a structural revenue. As I understand it, this money isn&#8217;t used to pay police, fire dept, muni workers, fill potholes, etc. </p>
<p>Also last year we received $17.2 million in &#8220;Special Municipal Aid&#8221;. This is really part of the makeup between money we raise and what we spend.</p>
<p>In this years budget, both of the last two items are lumped together in one amount labeled &#8220;Capital Cities Aid&#8221;. The total amount actually went up about $2.85 million, but which part went up, its anybody&#8217;s guess. Why they do nonsense like this is beyond me. </p>
<p>In any case, the structural deficit is currently the $8 million this year minus the $3.5 million in police OT. In general we should consider that amount (~$7 million) plus the $17 million in the municipal aid as our overall structural deficit. True, the energy tax could end and the state could totally not pay us any relief for municipal services, but at that point I would bulldoze down the capitol and sell off the property. </p>
<p>I would add that our structural deficit could be lower as I am sure we could find some other fairly easy places to cut once the books and all of the budget maneuvering is laid out in full.</p>
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